Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Re: [CHICKENS-101] tack sale

 

<g> Would love to come, and I *do* have some show clothes I ought to sell... But I have a nasty suspicion it would take a very early start from N.H. to get there for 9:30...
 
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[CHICKENS-101] tack sale

 

wayne county horse and pony Tack Sale and Mom 2 Mom Saturday March 3rd,2012 11am to 2pm Wayne County Fairgrounds Dining Hall 10871 Quirk Road Belleville Michigan Contact Melissa Laforest 734-751-1022 or heylis529@yahoo.com,

open to everyone bring a friend, $1 per person

tables or 7x7 spaces are available $20 each

setup starts at 930am must stay till close at 2pm.

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Monday, January 30, 2012

Re: [CHICKENS-101] I'm so spoiled.

 

Thank you Cathryn. I'm going to get 2 female Toulouse goslings sometime this spring. I'm going for the production Toulouse instead of the dulap exhibition ones. When I was a kid I had a pet production goose and that's what I miss.
Now I just have to hope that once they are grown they stay in, stay nice, and keep their voices somewhat down.
Marla

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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:06 PM
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Marla, How wonderful!  I am so happy for you!!! 
 
Cathryn rainbowsilkies MI


 


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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Dual Purpose Chickens; Buff Orpington's vs. Australorps

 

lol I'm not sure I'd call myself an expert, but thank you. I only have somewhere between 15 and 20 years total of experience with poultry. Some of the people on this list have way more than that. Heck Ol' George was on the Ark with Noah tending the chickens. lol!
Marla

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Subject: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Dual Purpose Chickens; Buff Orpington's vs. Australorps

 
Wow! You are really a chicken expert, Marla. Thank you for this advise. I will see if I can actually tell the difference in the chickens this way. The lightening blonde of the feathers may be easier for me to see..... But I may well be able to pick up on hip bone width as well.

Thanks for all the great info!

Britta

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] I'm so spoiled.

 

My oldest dd has "discovered" Craigslist but the dh still hasn't so I'm good there. lol My dh still finds ways of bringing me new things to do or take care of. I joke about naming my "homestead" Little Red Hen Productions, but the only little red hen here is an olive egger that I go round and round with (so I'm not naming anything something that someone might confuse her as my fave. lol).
Marla

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Congrats Marla!
I have to keep my hubby away from Craigs List or who knows what he's going to buy me next "cause I need one". Easy for him since I'm the one who takes care of all the animals. LOL!

Gothy
 
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: aggravated with Murray McMurray PHOTOS POSTED

 

We too used to have workers at our local post office who really went the extra miles to take care of a chick delivery - no more.  My son got into a dust up only a couple of weeks ago.  Expecting a call from the post office that never came, he phoned the post office to see if the chicks had arrived - the postal worker said yes - my son drove over (about 10 minutes away) to find the box of chicks sitting out on the loading dock in the cold (who knows for how long.).  In an absolute fit he grabbed the box - got it into the car with the heater on - got home, opened the box and realized the chicks weren't his! 
 
Took them back to the post office - left them in the car with the heater blasting away - and went in and told the postal guy to call the real recipient and he would wait in his car with the chicks for her to come and get them.  The postal worker went ballistic and told my son the chicks were Federal Postal Property and must immediatly be brought back into the post office - which my son absolutely refused to do.
 
We've always had the best postal people at our local post office who used to call the second the chicks arrived and even went as far as putting the boxes of chicks under lamps on their desk to keep them warm.  This last incident was a big disappointment and my son wrote a letter to the post master about it, so perhaps we'll see an improvement. Janet - Healdsburg CA


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[CHICKENS-101] Re: change in egg shell - Sandpaper shells

 

John in New Mexico wrote:
"...I have four Buff Orpington hens that have been real consistent now at
giving an egg each a day (their 7 months old). All of a sudden four days ago we
started getting one egg that is light tan in color and the shell is
extremely rough, like 60 grit sand paper rough. I have not opened them to check
if there is any change in the egg it's self. Should I be concerned ?"

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Hi John:
The interior quality of "sandpaper" shell eggs is usually fine. If you intend to eat it, it would be a good idea to break it out separately visually inspect it and give it the "smell" test.
 
Quoting from "Optimum Egg Quality - A Practical Approach", Jeffrey A. Coutts & Graham C. Wilson, 5M Publishing, Great Britian, 2007, pg. 35:
 
"Incidence
    The incidence is normally less than 1% of total production, but may be higher for some strains of bird."
 
"Cause
"Diseases, e.g. infectious bronchitis, infectious laryngotracheitis or avian encephalomyelitis."
"Control
"Follow effective vaccination programmes."
 
"Cause
"Disturbances at the time a hen is due to lay can cause the egg to be held over for another day"
"Control
"Minimise activities which create disturbances in and around the shed. Increase shed security to stop other birds and animals entering the shed."
 
"Cause
"Incorrect or changes in lighting programme"
"Control
"There should not be sudden increases in day length as pullets come into lay, or lighting changes during lay."
 
"Cause
"Water shortages"
"Control
"Make sure that the water supply is adequate, that there are no blockages in water lines and that drinkers are functioning properly."
 
 
Prof.
 
 
 

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: That egg thing again

 

Rita posted:
"Yes I know we've talked about the ladies not laying eggs, but --just one more question/comment! We have 10 hens (3BR/1RIR- almost 3 -- 2BO almost 2 and 4BR 8 months), they have light, they have heated water, they have a heated coop, they even have a partly covered run. Yes it is cold and there is snow on the ground, but they have dirt to dig in. We have been getting 2 or 3 eggs a day -- with 10 hens -- something just isn't right.

Rita, in CO"
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Hi Rita:
It's always risky making assumptions from a-far as it were, but here goes:  Even though you physically have 10 birds, your laying flock under winter conditions is the 4 Barred Rock pullets - 3 eggs/day from 4 birds = 75% ROL - not too shabby for winter even with lights, heated water and heated coop house.
 
If you are feeding a commercial feed make sure it's fresh, pelleted, contains either Vitamin D, or D3 or D2 precursor.
 
The protein content needs to be AT LEAST 16% and in winter 18-20% is not excessive.  Energy should be at least 2900 Kcal/Kg and 3000-3100 Kcal/Kg is not excessive for brown egg layers.
 
What is the SPECTRAL QUALITY of your lighting?  If it is fluorescent, but not a "grow light", the photoperiod needs to be 35-40% longer than with incandescent.  All the lighting "standards" are based on incandescent light.  Thus if the recommendation is for 14 hours total photoperiod, with daylight providing 8 leaving 6 to supplement, fluorescent lights will need to be on 8.4 hrs to equal incandescents.
 
Next important parameter is the AMOUNT of light at bird eye height on the floor - minimum is 1 footcandle.
 
Are you feeding any alfalfa? If not, get an 80 lb. bale of good, leafy, horse alfalfa hay and feed them a single "flake". When everything but the stems is gone - wait two days and feed another flake.
 
Good Luck and happy chicken keeping!
 
If you have other questions or concerns contact me directly be sure to include "chickens" in the subject line.
 
Prof.
 
 
 

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Feeling a little chicken guilt this morning...

 

maybe !!!

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> <<and hubby brewed some beer so they got the spent grains... they be happy birds!
> We got a whopping 6 eggs today!~ (5 had been our high score so far) >>
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> Must be the beer grains??? <g>
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> Rhonda
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Feeling a little chicken guilt this morning...

 

<<and hubby brewed some beer so they got the spent grains... they be happy birds!
We got a whopping 6 eggs today!~ (5 had been our high score so far) >>
 
Must be the beer grains??? <g>
 
Rhonda

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Dual Purpose Chickens; Buff Orpington's vs. Australorps

 

Yep, & very cost effective. Good luck Britta in whichever you decide to do. Jane & co

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Sunday, January 29, 2012

[CHICKENS-101] Re: Do Chickens Eat Ticks?

 


I got Lyme Disease 3 yrs. ago from a tick bite and got a few RIR hens
who are always on bug patrol...in fact I haven't had a tick on me in 2 yrs. now. The way they turn those awful bugs into wonderful fresh eggs is such a miracle!

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> In the near future, I will be relocating from a southern state to a norhtern state where I know there are ticks. Does anyone know if chickens will eat these nasty little creatures? Or do I need to be more concerned about the ticks getting on the chickens?
> Sheila in SW Florida
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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Dual Purpose Chickens; Buff Orpington's vs. Australorps

 

Hi Sandi, Here is another possibility. First have a good plan of what you actually want and a way to get it. There is a strain of chickens [not a breed because they are not recognized by the APA] called Braggs Mountain Buffs. See link below:
http://www.braggsmountainpoultry.com/

These chicks cost a little over $4 each not counting postage. The original intent of the person who developed them was to have a large hen that laid very big brown eggs consistently. He also selected the Buff color because they dress out cleaner and because the Buff Orpingtons have held a steady following for many years in America. Read what he used to develop these birds on the site link I posted.

One good mix I have used several times is White Cornish males over White Wyandotte females. This produced fryers that were almost
round they were so fat and meaty. [Meat cross only] I have also made the same cross using bantams of the above breeds with even better results. Before the Cornish crosses came along the Wyandottes were the #1 broiler chicken in America followed closely by the White Rocks and RI Reds. Just want to add that the offspring you get will only be as good as the birds you use to make this or any other cross.

Over on BYC I saw a cross another person had made. I later saw the same cross at a poultry auction. They had crossed Black Australorp cockerels over Dark Cornish pullets and produced large coal Black chickens with super smooth and tight fitting plumage. They had medium pea combs and looked for all the world like a Black Buckeye would look if there was such a thing. The people who were selling their extras said their Black hens were decent layers.

By crossing a good Black Australorp male over Production bred Barred Rock females you will get coal Black pullets and Barred males. These pullets can be mated back to some of the cockerels showing blurred and indistinct barring in the F2 cross and create a decent line of Black Plymouth Rocks. Also being out of egg laying stock they should shell out eggs like a slot machine.

I have yet to own an Australorp that went broody. This breed may be called Australian Orpingtons [Austral-Orps] but they were bred and selected to be a laying chicken. When egg laying contests were a popular past time a pen of 5 Australorp hens averaged over 340 eggs each and one hen in the group laid 364 eggs in 364 days beating out all other laying records for any breed up to that date in time. And this was also before they started using artificial light to increase rate of lay...................

Britta, The majority of RI Red chicks you buy through the hatcheries are all crossed up to create production Reds which are more closely kin to a Leghorn than a RI Red.

About 10 years ago I posted on a poultry site that I was using cable ties as cheap alternatives to buying the more expensive spiral bands which have a tendancy to fall off. I got the idea from an Emu breeder in 1992 when I purchased 2 pair of grown Emu at an exotic sale. They had large cable zips on their shanks to mark them as the ones he wanted to sell.

The next time I went to Walmart I bought a few plastic envelopes of various mixed color small cable bundle zips to mark my birds as to specific strains etc.. When you use these things make sure to leave a little room for wiggle and not to get them pulled down too snug. Once that is done take toe nail clippers and snip off the excess tail on the zip so a curious chicken doesn't grab it and pull it tight on the other bird's shank.

I have tried to make leg bands out of every substance available to poor folks and nothing worked or didn't work for very long. I have tried twist ties, garbage bag closures, small PVC pipe ring sections cut to size, quest pipe rings, tape bands made from cardboard liners and every kind of tough tape I could find and it didn't work for long.

The Zips and regular numbered chicken leg bands are about all that really work. The steel bands work well as do the metal wing bands. I have a few different sizes of the spiral poultry leg bands. They are flimsy and they don't stay on for long. Nail polish would last about 24 hours at best. Dean
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"sandi" <sandi_ruscetta@...> wrote:

I have australops, among several other species, may I say they make the greatest pet chickens. Good egg producers, they do go broody.
I am contemplating getting buff orpingtons this spring, to mix in with the white rocks, barred rocks, RIR's , Maran, Sex Link, and australops.

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Feeling a little chicken guilt this morning...

 

yes.. and now I hope hubby does a better job of cheking .. i think he learned his lesson as well! lol

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> Zilla, Maybe your chick will go in on her own now, every night, after spending a night in the cold.  Sometimes they have to learn the hard way.
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> Cathryn rainbowsilkies MI

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Slighly off topic joke-funny

 

i shared that on my fb... thats awesome

--- In CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy" <bratpack4u@...> wrote:
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> I saw this on another group and just had to pass it on, lol.
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>
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> With all the talk on this group about NAIS, government oversight, raids on Butterball, etc., I hope you all don't mind a little farming vs govt. humor:
>
> A cowboy named Bud was overseeing his herd in a remote mountainous pasture in Montana when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust.
>
> The driver, a young man in a Brioni® suit, Gucci® shoes, RayBan® sunglasses and YSL® tie, leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?"
>
> Bud looks at the man, who obviously is a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, "Sure, why not?"
>
> The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell® notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3® cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page onthe Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resoluti on photo.
>
> The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop® and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany ...
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> Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot® that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL® database through an ODBC connected Excel® spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry® and, after a few minutes, receives a response.
>
> Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet® printer, turns to the cowboy and says, "You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."
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> "That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Bud.
>
> He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.
>
> Then Bud says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"
>
> The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"
>
> "You're a Congressman for the U.S. Government", says Bud.
>
> "Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"
>
> "No guessing required." answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of dollars worth of equipment trying to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep.
>
> Now give me back my dog.
>
> AND THAT FOLKS IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS ALL ABOUT.
>

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