Thursday, February 28, 2013

[CHICKENS-101] Re: Questions on housing chickens

 

Do NOT assume that your chickens will be safe with a cat. Once they are
big enough they'll probably hold their own, but most cats are excellent
bird killers, and will go after a chick or juvenile chicken. A cat is
at least as dangerous as a dog, and even less trainable, where chickens
are concerned. Sara

> have 2 acres that is all fenced in. My back yard is also fenced in. My
> plan was to house them in the back yard, letting them out to roam
> around there. I would make it more chicken proof than it is and would
> be extremely careful until they were bigger.
>
> I have a dog who has never killed anything but is of a breed that has
> a high prey drive. I will just assume that his training will never be
> stronger than his instincts to grab and shake. The dog is not allowed
> in the separately fenced back yard because that is the cat's
> territory. I'm considering installing one of those invisible fences
> around the property to ensure the dog never goes in the back yard.

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Chickens and goats

 

Maria,

     The goats will go through the door of the coop and eat the chicken feed.  We had a terrible time with our scrub goats getting into our chicken yard and cleaning us out of feed!  

     Goats will go wherever they want and wherever you don't want them to, if you don't keep them in secure fencing!

     You need to come visit my farm.  We have learned through "hit and miss" methods and we are still learning! 

Laura



On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM, maria b <burns62985@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I have 2 paddocks. One will have 2 goats, 3 sheep and 2 alpacas. We get our coop delivered in 2 weeks and I was wondering if I should put it in there with their run? I know they will get along but I wonder if goats will jump against the run and break it. Any experience with this?
I prefer to keep them all in the same paddock. I won't if you guys lived through goats being wild. (My goats and sheep aren't here yet, they are just being born this week)
Maria VA


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Re: [CHICKENS-101] New to Chickens

 

I suggest you buy pullets, then.  More expensive, but guaranteed sex and ready to lay, or close to it.

Laura

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:06 AM, jajeanpierre <jajeanpierre@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

I am considering getting a few chickens for my backyard. (Keeping chickens is legal.)

I want blue eggs and an unusual chicken. I've found a breeder who has Ameraucanas. They are very active exhibiting.

The woman I spoke to said that she will send a minimum of 10 unsexed day-old chicks (to keep warm during shipping).

I don't want 10. I want two or three. My idea is to keep the minimum and then as they start to not produce enough eggs, get another but keep the unproductive chicken as a pet. You can see how I would quickly become over run if I started with five or six hens.

Can they be sexed as day-old chicks?

I don't know if I have the stomach to cull the roosters.

Suggestions?

Janet


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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Hatcheries

 

     I would be very surprised if there wasn't at least one bad outcome for every person on this list with a particular hatchery or two.  


     I have used MMc and Ideal and My Pet Chicken.......(I think that is the name) and I have had good experience with all and some not so good with them.........each year brings something new.  

    So far, my orders this year are with MMc.........because they still offered turkey poults and Ideal was sold out.  I am looking forward to the little fluffy pooping machines!

Laura

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:16 PM, susie seagull <mountainseagull@hotmail.com> wrote:
 



What's so bad about McMurray? Not that I've ordered from them, but I was wondering.
Thanks Sue

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Welp is excellent if you aren't looking for "fancy" chickens. McMurry I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. Meyer is also good.


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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Chickens and goats

 

Goats are rough on fence ....some will put their front hoofs on it...
all will rub against it and do so daily..... and some will jump up, over
or if covered on top of :-) Also how many males vs females of the
different kinds are you getting and types of goats and sheep?

Pete
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On 2013/02/28 5:52 PM, maria b wrote:
> I have 2 paddocks. One will have 2 goats, 3 sheep and 2 alpacas. We get our coop delivered in 2 weeks and I was wondering if I should put it in there with their run? I know they will get along but I wonder if goats will jump against the run and break it. Any experience with this?
> I prefer to keep them all in the same paddock. I won't if you guys lived through goats being wild. (My goats and sheep aren't here yet, they are just being born this week)
> Maria VA
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RE: [CHICKENS-101] New to Chickens

 

Yeah, my local TS has Rhodes and Rocks, and some ducks too.

~Dr.Doug

On 2/28/2013 4:52 PM, Bob Packer wrote:

My Tractor Supply has them in right now.

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] New to Chickens

 

They had White Leghorns, a Red Sex link (I believe) and some Cornish Rock (all sold). And a few odd ducks.



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On 2/28/2013 4:52 PM, Bob Packer wrote:
 
My Tractor Supply has them in right now.

My Tractor only has Ameraucanas and Bantams.  Not much else.  ON Craiglist all that
is sold around here are Rhodies.  Everyone seems to have a Rhodie.  I imagine Tractor
will get some of those too.

Sue


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[CHICKENS-101] Chickens and goats

 

I have 2 paddocks. One will have 2 goats, 3 sheep and 2 alpacas. We get our coop delivered in 2 weeks and I was wondering if I should put it in there with their run? I know they will get along but I wonder if goats will jump against the run and break it. Any experience with this?
I prefer to keep them all in the same paddock. I won't if you guys lived through goats being wild. (My goats and sheep aren't here yet, they are just being born this week)
Maria VA

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] New to Chickens

 

On 2/28/2013 4:52 PM, Bob Packer wrote:
 
My Tractor Supply has them in right now.

My Tractor only has Ameraucanas and Bantams.  Not much else.  ON Craiglist all that
is sold around here are Rhodies.  Everyone seems to have a Rhodie.  I imagine Tractor
will get some of those too.

Sue

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Rocks

 

Hi Laura, The Barred and the Whites are the most common of the Plymouth Rocks. One person stated that the Barreds were also called Grizzlies. Actually grizzlies or grizzled is a fly tier term which I doubt would have been used by common chicken keepers or poultry exhibitors.

The first Barred Plymouth Rocks were created by a cross between single combed Dominiques and Black Javas. From the very beginning any barred chicken with either a single or Rose comb was referred to as a Dominicker by the average farmer. It took over one hundred years to get the two types separated when the American Poultry Association finally set up the breed parameters for both types.

The White Rocks arrived on the scene as white sports out of the original Barred variety. Later the White Javas were used as crosses to invigorate the White Rocks which mostly absorbed all of the White Java sports into the Plymouth Rock gene pool.

Over the years there have been many attempts to create new color varieties within the Plymouth Rock breed. Some of these such as the solid Black, solid Blue, and Red Barred were hatchery sports that cropped up from time to time. Later a few breeders created the Yellow Barred Rock which bred consistent but didn't breed true and soon disappeared from the show room and went extinct.

Still to this day the hatcheries produce a few odd colored Plymouth Rocks out of every large hatch. The White Rock carries the genes for Barred and often throw a barred colored chick. Some white strains throw an occasional Blue chick which is where the original Blue Rocks came from. I am fairly sure if someone could find a true Black Rock sport cockerel out of Black or Barred parents that in time they could again produce good type Blues by crossing back to White Rock pullets.

A few years ago one of the locals accidentally discovered that Schlect hatchery was producing an occasional red Barred out of their regular Black Barred line. This led to a rush by several breeders to buy up all of these Reds and try to revive the Buff and Red Barred Plymouth Rocks.
Schlect hatchery did everything they could to help these people with their project.

They ended up with about a dozen Red Barred chicks to start their breeding experiment. [This was good for Schlecht because she now had a market for her mutations as well as selling enough extras to round out the 25 chick order every time a few of these cropped up.]

For some reason these chicks must have only been carrying one gene for Red Barring. The ones I saw , which were mostly all of them, were red barred cockerels and pullets with many different expressions of brown and black. The pullets somewhat resembled Partridge which made me wonder if this might have been the motivator that caused someone to create the Partridge variety in the first place.

Just for fun if you live close to a hatchery that hatches hundreds of White or Barred Plymouth Rocks per week you might ask them to save their off color mutations for you to experiment with. These will make just as good of laying hens as the pures but would be a lot more interesting to see how they develop and feather as they grow. Dean
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Laura Roberts wrote:
Barred Rocks ARE Plymouth Rocks in the Barring pattern (color)
Plymouth Rocks come in several colors. I think the Barred and Whites are most common. I love them--great dual purpose birds with pleasant demeanor.
Laura

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] New to Chickens

 

My Tractor Supply has them in right now.

Just read a post on local Craigslist that a lady bought two chickens at the flea market.  Got them home and they were coughing and sneezing and died.  Now her other chicks are sick.  Buy wisely!



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With ten straight run chicks you may end up with only 2 or 3 hens (or, all 10 could be female, but less likely). They can be sexed at hatching by people who know how to do it. (I can't tell until they start crowing or laying.)

If you don't want to deal with roosters you can give them away via FreeCycle or CraigsList - just don't ask questions you don't want answers to. If you end up with more hens than you want you can sell/give them away. (Chances are, once you start keeping chickens, you will find you have a friend or two who would also like to have some.)

Your feed store may be selling chicks or know someone locally who has pullets.

Have fun!
Jean & the Happy Hens


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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Hatcheries

 

I have posted this site on several of the poultry sites over the past few years. This is one of the smallest privately owned hatcheries that I
am familiar with and it has a small offering of breeds. However I trust the owners and you can't find people who are more concerned with personal integrity. As far as prices go they are also concerned that the customer gets the best quality for their dollar.

I helped to evaluate the flocks owned by this family and culled out some of the more objectionable breeders. Let me say that their junk is few in number and are better than many of the show bred and commercially bred birds in the country. Their personal motto is production first and window dressing second.

Their breeders are weather hardened to withstand the 110 degree heat waves as well as the severe cold spells we have here in Missouri. Two weeks ago it was a comfortable 60 degrees and dry and now it is in the teens at night and the ground is covered in 15 inches of wet snow. This is hard for any living thing to handle. Their breeders are living in coops and outside runs that are no doubt covered in snow and the birds are no doubt scratching around in the snow for exercise as I write this.

They sell free range eggs to local customers year round and during the hatching season it is these same eggs that get rerouted to their incubators to fill other orders. Their hens lay big eggs and lots of them.

If you are tired of owning wimpy chickens or live in an area where you have had problems raising chicks or getting your pullets to lay decently then these might be what you are looking for. Dean

Paul and Kelly Hartner Farm and Hatchery
http://www.backtothefarmmo.com/breeds.html

 

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Rocks

 

Hi Dr. Doug. Strange how you got your handle. I had an uncle that people called Colonel but he never served one day in the military. He was a part time auctioneer in his local area and was the local square dance crier. Regardless of how different a self study practice or field of expertise might be, almost everyone is a specialist in some unique area, and that is a good thing.

Your chick supplier has told you another not quite true story. There were several thousand people on the various, now mostly defunct MSN and Yahoo poultry sites back in 2001, who all did research work for an entire season studying fluctuating incubator temperatures to see if it affected the sex ratios of birds.

Prolonged increased temps and fluctuating temperatures during incubation does have some affect and change the sex of reptiles but has no effect on changing the sex of birds.

What your chick supplier might have meant was that the sexed chicks they get are about 98% guaranteed to be pullets or cockerels. The art of chick sexing has improved to the point that the sexors are almost fool proof when it comes to sexing day olds fresh out of the
incubator. Not only do they vent sex chicks they have also
discovered how to feather sex some breeds just by looking at the wing developing feathers on newly hatched chicks. This too is an almost fool proof way to sex chicks and is the method most often employed by the giant hatcheries that supply the billions of chicks every year for the poultry conglomerates and mega corporation farms.

Lastly it is your decision where you buy your chicks. There are so many different categories and levels of poultry keeping and no two are ever close to being the same. I often throw out a good source or site link of where to buy your chicks cheaply and get the best results for your hard earned dollar. Some of the smaller family owned hatcheries may not have a grand number of breeds to offer but often
their facilities and flocks are cleaner and better kept than the nationally known hatcheries.

I have dealt with Schlect hatchery for many years and have never found their service or poultry wanting in any way. They have a no kill hatchery and once a month they take all of their extras, a lot of newly hatched, and their left over cockerels to a giant flea market and sell them at their own permanent booth. I got there a little late one time and all that was left were a lot of broiler chicks of all sizes. I said what cha got? She said 41 and I will sell them to you as 30. I said How much? and she said how's 50 cents each sound. [It sounded a lot better than 90] LOL. I said, boxem. I had chicks all the way from 3 week old cornish game hen size all the way down to day old. They sure were some excellent eating and I never lost a one of them while they were growing. Before that good deal came along I had been calling the hatchery and buying 25 chicks delivered to the swap every month for the past 3 years which more or less made me a regular buyer.

She also brought a large group of Golden laced Wyandotte sexed pullets and sexed cockerels one time and sold these started birds for 3 X more the asking price at her family hatchery. Still not a bad deal for someone wanting hard to find rare stock.

Schlecht's hatchery doesn't sex many of their breeds and this in turn
saves a lot of money for everyone concerned. If you are wanting to keep a few pullets and eat a few free range cockerels then this is the place to buy. If you only want a small group of pullets and no cockerels then the local farm supply stores are as good as any and you get to pick out the best looking and most vigorous chicks they
have. Dean
----------------------------------------------------------"Doug Rooney" wrote:
Thank you for the reply,
So are you suggesting I do not buy from a local farm supply? We have many here as I am in a rural agricultural area in Nor Cal

I was in Tractor Supply today and he has lots of birds, as do the other 2 places I visited in the last few days.

One thing I found odd was he said he had pullets, but they were only a few weeks old, he said the temp of the hatchery determines their gender.

He said that only 1 out of a hundred will actually be a rooster, I am not done with my coop so I am in no hurry, but does this sound reasonable?

Because it was sure news to me.
Thanks
Dr.Doug

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