Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Re: [CHICKENS-101] Second try at an intro

 



Deb,

> This is excellent to know. About being able to let them indoors. I
> have always been uncomfortable about keeping dogs outside only. Since
> the predators usually come in the morning and evening this opens up my
> choices for my next doggie companions.

nothing is set in stone, some dogs will naturally prefer to spend more time
outside and others will rather hang with a human, but even if they like to
hang out more with a human, they usually still guard their whole property
which includes anything that lives there.

> I can fence the immediate area to include the horse corral with the yard
> that goes around the house. That is approximately an acre. All the
> livestock will be on one side and definitely accessible from a single
> point from the house.

there you go, there are many ways to do things.

> Oh my I am encouraged..... I had gone under the assumption that the
> dogs needed to be out with the animals 24/7.

some dogs will prefer to be with the livestock, others could care less
about the livestock, but that doesn't mean they won't protect them. LGDs
are highly territorial and it really doesn't matter if you have livestock
or not, they won't let anything trespass. You could for example fence an
acre and then have electric netting or something like that to contain the
livestock within that acre, as long as the dog can get all the way around
the area where the livestock is, it can keep predators out. That way you
have a choice of keeping the dog either inside the pasture with the
livestock or keeping it separate. Some dogs are not trustworthy with all
livestock, some are not trustworthy right away with any new animals. So it
helps to set things up so the dog can always protect the perimeter.

> How are they with other dogs. I would like couple of terriers for mouse
> patrol.

it depends, I have a Jack Russell and just about all my dogs have lost
their patience with him challenging them. I got him for rodent control too,
but he is really not a great help with it. Maybe others are better at it.
Cats are probably a better choice.

Marlene, Nevada, USA
www.Anatolians-of-Zaltana.com
Blog: http://zaltanaanatolians.blogspot.com/ and
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Covered perches?

 

I think it would be a place where mites could take up residence.....  Having a nice wide perch would be better where they can cover their feet with their feathers.  Like laying the two by four with the wide side up.  Or even a two by six.  The wood is naturally insulating.   If you think about it in the wild they are going to roost on tree branches. 

Then you can paint or stain and seal the wood so its scrub-able every once and a while.  Painting the color of poo would make it stay nice looking longer.... LOL.

sounded good to begin with for sure.  I certainly would like something soft to put my feet on.... but what do the chickens need. 

deb

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So I had an errant thought...would covering part of my girl's roosts in carpet (not the fluffy stuff that can trap toes, but like a utility carpet) be a good idea or a bad idea?? On a whim, I tied an old woven saddle pad to part of the roost and about half seem to like it and the other half don;t seem to have a preference...I would think it would be more comfortable and warmer in the winter? Thoughts???
 
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Second try at an intro

 

This is excellent to know. About being able to let them indoors. I
have always been uncomfortable about keeping dogs outside only. Since
the predators usually come in the morning and evening this opens up my
choices for my next doggie companions.

I can fence the immediate area to include the horse corral with the yard
that goes around the house. That is approximately an acre. All the
livestock will be on one side and definitely accessible from a single
point from the house.

Oh my I am encouraged..... I had gone under the assumption that the
dogs needed to be out with the animals 24/7. I have a green house room
which is open to the outside where I can wet the floors freely for some
coolness plus I have to cross through this room from my bedroom to
access the main house. My bedroom has its own airconditioner. LOL...
the bedroom used to be an art studio and has real linoleum floors too
and I am not adverse to hosing it down on occasion.... though most of
the time its just dust and sand bits.

How are they with other dogs. I would like couple of terriers for mouse
patrol.

deb

On 8/31/2011 8:25 PM, Marlene Johnson wrote:
> Deb,
>
>> Do you have Anatolian shepherds? I peeked at your blogs. I see you
>> have a Great Pyrenees as well. I know you get hotter where you are than
>> me. How well do they handle the heat?
> I let mine into the house, so they handle the heat just fine (grin). We
> have large patiodoors and doggie doors so the dogs hang out inside in front
> of the windows and dash out if they see or hear something, we only have 2
> 1/2 acres, so it's easy for the dogs to keep track of what's happening
> outside. Now that we have larger trees and drip systems and some misters,
> the dogs could stay outside and not overheat. But with the summer also come
> the flies and I don't see the point of leaving my dogs out there to be
> bitten by the flies. Some of mine will hang out outside for periods at a
> time even when they could come inside, and then they get their ears bitten
> by the flies, so I try to discourage that. During the heat of the day our
> predators don't come around, it's just too hot. Even the falcon that hunts
> around here will gladly sit in a puddle of water or hang out near the

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[CHICKENS-101] Covered perches?

 



So I had an errant thought...would covering part of my girl's roosts in carpet (not the fluffy stuff that can trap toes, but like a utility carpet) be a good idea or a bad idea?? On a whim, I tied an old woven saddle pad to part of the roost and about half seem to like it and the other half don;t seem to have a preference...I would think it would be more comfortable and warmer in the winter? Thoughts???
 
Krista

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Second try at an intro

 


Deb,

> Do you have Anatolian shepherds? I peeked at your blogs. I see you
> have a Great Pyrenees as well. I know you get hotter where you are than
> me. How well do they handle the heat?

I let mine into the house, so they handle the heat just fine (grin). We
have large patiodoors and doggie doors so the dogs hang out inside in front
of the windows and dash out if they see or hear something, we only have 2
1/2 acres, so it's easy for the dogs to keep track of what's happening
outside. Now that we have larger trees and drip systems and some misters,
the dogs could stay outside and not overheat. But with the summer also come
the flies and I don't see the point of leaving my dogs out there to be
bitten by the flies. Some of mine will hang out outside for periods at a
time even when they could come inside, and then they get their ears bitten
by the flies, so I try to discourage that. During the heat of the day our
predators don't come around, it's just too hot. Even the falcon that hunts
around here will gladly sit in a puddle of water or hang out near the
misters, instead of hunting in the middle of the day.

> I cant even think of having an
> LGD untill I get my property fenced. I have eighteen acres. but am
> surrounded by open acreage that connects to bLM land and eventually to
> Mexico.

yes, fences are a must, but without LGDs, usually there are problems with
predators sooner or later. Those predators never let up the pressure
either. Saturday morning we had a coyote walk right by our property, I have
neighbors with lots of rabbits and chickens running loose, so the coyote
was probably trying to make his way over there, but when my dogs made a
ruckus it went back the other way. I often, almost every night, hear the
coyotes nearby. It's amazing how they just live right nearby. So far I have
not lost a critter to predators, been here for 6 years.

Marlene, Nevada, USA
www.Anatolians-of-Zaltana.com
Blog: http://zaltanaanatolians.blogspot.com/ and
http://zaltanachickens.blogspot.com/

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Second try at an intro

 

Thank you Pete.  Worked too hard and too many hours today.  Open House at school after working all day.  :)
 
Cathryn
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From: Pete <pondkeep@earthlink.net>
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BLM = Bureau of Land Management part of Dept of the Interior that manages public lands.

Pete
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What is blm land?
Cathryn



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BLM = Bureau of Land Management part of Dept of the Interior that manages public lands.

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What is blm land?
Cathryn

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition 3.0

 

Holy Cow, it looks like it is half mountain goat. The horns are flat out scary!!
 
Cathryn
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This is my faux Pygmy. He weighs 130+ pounds and those horns keep growing.
Anyone care to guess what else may be in his lineage? Why is it I keep
having to ask them, "Who's your Daddy? Who's your Daddy?"


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Re: Non poison mouse trap.... was Re: [CHICKENS-101] ]How many chick

 

You can do the same with woodchucks by burying the hose into the hole.  Just be ready to get it in case it comes busting out of it's hole.
 
Cathryn
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My father had a chipmunk infestation in his garden and solved the problem by blocking up all the burrow entrances he could find - except one. He ran a hose from the tailpipe of his car into the last hole, idled his car for about 20 to 30 minutes, and gassed the little buggers.
 
Never give an engineer a problem to solve. They will always come up with something complicated and insidious.
 
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Re: Non poison mouse trap.... was Re: [CHICKENS-101] ]How many chickens in a 10x10 coop?? Now enrichment, also! :)

 

I sit with the CO2 power pellet gun where no one can see me and target practice.
 
Cathryn
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Red squirrels are the worst. When I was a kid, we had one that kept chewing through window screens to get in our house. It usually went out a different window than it came in. It would knock stuff over all through the house and when you came home after it had been in the house it looked like though we had been robbed or something. It ruined nine screens before Dad beat it to death with a tennis racket after he cornered it in a bathroom where the window wasn't open. After that we shot every red squirrel that we saw come in our yard.
Mark

 
LOL!  We just had a red squirrel move in, I am going to set up the extra tall 5 gallon bucket how you suggested with the sunflower seed. Last time we had a red squirrel it chewed up the wiring in the skid steer.  Then we had a couple of chipmunks and they did the same.  My cat finally caught them before they tore up the place.
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Re: Non poison mouse trap.... was Re: [CHICKENS-101]

 

If they catch on to what is killing them they will stop eating it.  I would try a different bait in a different container just in case. 
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I have had the same thing using that bait.
I crush up the bars though, they seem to eat more readily that way. I put out bait every night for a week and a half and every morning the bait was gone! You can just imagine how many rats I had. They aren't taking bait any more and no signs of them either. I will continue to put bait out just in case anyway.
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