Thursday, June 30, 2011

Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Sneaky dog

 

 
 
 
 
 
Must be a cross between a dog and a frog  Grrrrrrrritbit! :-)
 
Ron - Western NC
 
 
 
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FOGS???? Now I wonder what they would taste like???
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Mama hen and babies question

 

If she has left the nest with chicks, she is probably pretty sure that the remaining eggs won't hatch. The babies peep inside the eggs for a day or so before they hatch. When eggs have hatched and no more peeping comes from the remaining eggs, the mom will leave the nest with the babies to seek food. I would let her take care of the babies and discard the remaining eggs after checking to be sure that they show no signs of hatching, such as peeping or holes in the eggs.
 
kathy
 
In a message dated 6/30/2011 5:28:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, susan7fleming@yahoo.com writes:
My black Serama hen came up on the back porch and made a nest in a bag of potting soil.  Laid 6 eggs and has been setting on them very protectivly for almost 4 weeks.  This morning I found one black chick under her and 5 unhatched eggs.  This afternoon when I got home from running errands I found her on the porch floor with 2 chicks.   I am thinking that I need to bring the hen, the 2 chicks and the nest into the house in a box or cage.  Or should I bring in the chicks to the brooder and see if the hen will set on the remaining 4 eggs?  What to do?   These are the healthiest chicks I have ever seen!   Advise please.  Susan in Georgia



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[CHICKENS-101] Wanted - Californian Buck Rabbit

 

Hi. I know that this is a chicken site but I was wondering if anyone has a Californian Buck for sale anywhere near the Hudson Valley. If so, please let me know. Thanks....

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RE: [CHICKENS-101] Eating Non-Traditional Meats

 

 

When I was growing up squirrel, rabbit, deer and wild hog were regular meats on our table.  All sorts of wild game birds along with turkey, pheasant, peafowl and guinea that were raised on the farm.  I have also eaten rattlesnake, iguana, javelina and many of the exotics that free range in Texas. Goat and lamb or both wonderful meats and here in Texas we often throw some on the BBQ pits. I would have no problem with eating a properly processed horse steak or burger. I would bet that if I smoked a brisket cut from a horse and a steer side by side you could not tell it apart. A double meat double cheese whinny burger would most likely be just as good and maybe even healthier than the ones we eat now.  The real problem is letting a small group of people decide for the rest of us what we will eat.  For those of you that like oysters, and I love them, how hard was it to eat the first raw oyster you put in your mouth?  Can you imagine the first native to break open and oyster or clam shell and eat it?  How about escargot or snails?  Conch salad is raw shell fish that is in fact mildly toxic. I have eaten octopus and love calamari and they are really disgusting creatures. Organ meats of chickens, cattle or other livestock look pretty bad if you think about it.  If you don’t believe you will eat most anything you have never been really hungry.  The army ranger survival training programs prove that over and over.  By the end of the week people relish some of the parts of a rabbit that they swore they would not eat.  No one will waste the brains or eyeballs.  Happens in all cases as your body and brain decides it does not want to die.  JMHO J

Ed Thomas

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RE: [CHICKENS-101] Eating Non-Traditional Meats

 

Di,

            In theory, I agree with you 100%  I totally disagreed with the banning of slaughter houses and horse slaughter.

            I would love for all the excess deer to be hunted and killed in a humane way and fed to those who want or need it.  Same thing with those big snakes. 

 

            At the same time, I am the one who buried our pet turkey, Lilly.  I couldn’t bear the thought of butchering her and since we had her  chemically euthanized, it wouldn’t have been advisable, anyway. 

 

            I have had a tacos in Mexico and my father said they were horsemeat…….don’t know for sure.  I have eaten alligator, snake, turte, snails, frogs legs, fish, eel (YUCK) bison, beef, chicken, turkey, quail, cornish game, venison, wild goose, duck, etc.  I don’t go out of my way to eat weird stuff or gourmet, but I don’t condemn those that eat foods I don’t. 

Laura

 

Laura Roberts

R Half Pint Farm

Spotsylvania, VA 

 


From: CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dbauer7997us
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Subject: [CHICKENS-101] Eating Non-Traditional Meats

 

 

I know most people abhor the idea of eating a dog - or a cat, or a horse, for that matter. While I have tried none of these, the only reasons are that a) I have not been offered it by someone who does cook it and b) I have never been hungry enough to have to eat it. It's easy to look down our noses at people who eat animals that we do not normally recognize as food sources, but we can only afford to do so because we have not been on the brink of starvation ourselves. In those circumstances, people can't afford to be picky. I'd sure as shoot cook a dog, cat, horse (or any other edible animal) before I'd let my child starve to death. I'd kill and cook rats before I'd let my child die of hunger.

What I don't know is if carnivores should be processed differently that herbivores. I seem to remember hearing long ago that human beings must be more careful with the meat of carnivores due to the risk of carnivores being more of a potential source of disease and/or parasites than herbivores are. I would have to research this to be certain of the answer.

Actually, I'm rather against the ban on processing horsemeat here in the United States. While I don't personally desire to sit down to an equine meal, horses are considered farm animals - and the only way to logically dispose of farm animals that are no longer useful is to butcher them. Better that than letting them slowly starve to death and become fodder for an episode "Animal Cops Houston", for heavens sake.

There are people who go hungry here in the United States. This is not just a Third World issue. Can we really logically ban the consumption of certain species simply because we are emotionally attached to them or because they are "cute"? That makes no sense.

ALL animals should be treated humanely and their lives made as satisfying as is possible. All animals used as a food source should be dispatched by humane methods - always. (In other words, we should treat animals more humanely than we normally treat each other.)

There is a heavy Caribbean influence where I live, and goat is routinely offered in the grocery stores are cater to Hispanics. There are other meats that I cannot identify that animal that they came from. Chris (my son) says goat is pretty good, so I may try it sometime this summer. If course, he also says hippo is also pretty good, but I don't think I'll find that offered around here any time in the near future.

With boas and pythons taking over the Everglades and other parts of South Florida, perhaps we should develop a taste for snake and make the critters worth catching. I mean, some of those snakes are HUGE and would provide a lot of meat to someone who is hungry.

But I'm still glad I buried my 22-year-old cat out in the garden by the bird bath and didn't fricassee her when she died.

Di
Central Florida Zone 9a/b

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Sneaky dog

 

I haven't the FOG-giest idea...

Anita B.

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RE: [CHICKENS-101] Real estate benefits

 

Nice little benefit on top of your commission.


Dana


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Subject: [CHICKENS-101] Real estate benefits
From: "Marvin Shelley" <shelleym@pgtc.com>
Date: Thu, June 30, 2011 6:43 am
To: <CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com>

 
I sold a farm last week. Owner moving to the city.
He is giving me - for free - a cabinet incubator. Said he hatched 1,800 chicks this past spring.
 
Life is good!
 
Marvin Shelley
Rural Real Estate Broker
Fayetteville, Arkansas
www.nwarkansashomeforsale.com

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: broodie hen

 

You might want to put some eggs you know are viable under her so she gets a few chicks. :love: Angelique

--- In CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com, "Joann o" <farmersdaughterne@...> wrote:
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> You have probably covered this time and time again but I have so little time to read all of the old posts I am hopeful one of you can help me. I have a broodie hen who has been sitting on her eggs for about 4 weeks now. Obviously it is far past time for hatching. I cracked one open and it was ROTTEN. What do I do now? How do I convince my "lady" to stop sitting. She still growls at me when I come near and picks at me when I put my hand under her. Even if I take the eggs away she is going to continue to sit.
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] broodie hen

 

She might for a day or two but then she will get off.
Gina :-)

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Non traditional meat

 

UH, NO...........
Gina :-)
On 6/30/2011 5:16 PM, Marvin Shelley wrote:

 

Monday - The Gov.. accounting office recommended to Congress that they lREPEAL the horse slaughter/export law. GAO said the law backfired and was causing more problems than before the law.
 
Does anyone think the dummies will listen?
 
Marvin Shelley
Rural Real Estate Broker
Fayetteville, Arkansas
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[CHICKENS-101] Question already

 

I have a chick about 12 weeks old, supposed to be an astrolorpe. Anyway, she doesn't sound the like the other chicks at all, the best way I can describe it, is she twitters like a bird would. She also seems to have a hard time pooping,she has to strain, twitters alot, and it seems to be stuck, like she is constipated. Is there anything I can do to help her. Poor thing looks and sounds miserable.

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Eating Non-Traditional Meats

 

As a horse person, I wouldn't WANT to eat horse meat, but if something tragic happened and all of our non-breeding cattle were gone there is a certain mare I cannot STAND out there~ROFL. 
 
Laura
 
In a message dated 6/30/2011 7:31:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, romanticpoet1962@yahoo.com writes:
Wild Carnivores tend to have stringier meat; you'd definitely want to soak in a salt brine a couple days; then probably soak in a marinade for another 24 hrs.

I've eaten horse a few time; didn't know it the first couple times; I thought it was beef; then I saw it raw & realized it was much redder than raw beef. It's not bad, & if the opportunity presented itself; I'd fill my freezer with it. I like horses; but don't have the social affection for them alot of people do; I was raised on a farm & a farm animal is livestock; & if you find yourself looking at an empty freezer; first direction you look is your livestock & decide which one is going to fill the freezer....

I've eaten several exotic & wild meats; never tried dog or cat; to my knowledge; I have an affinity for Oriental food; so it's possible.... lol I know Potbelly pigs are tasty, & Emu, & Ostrich meat is pretty strong, but edible.

In the Military; I ate several different varieties of snake, & large meaty lizards; kind of chewy; but tasty after a week or 2 of Field rations..... I've also eaten softshell turtle on a few occasions; Turtle is a real treat; very tasty whether cooked over open flames, grilled, or as soup.

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Eating Non-Traditional Meats

 

Wild Carnivores tend to have stringier meat; you'd definitely want to soak in a salt brine a couple days; then probably soak in a marinade for another 24 hrs.

I've eaten horse a few time; didn't know it the first couple times; I thought it was beef; then I saw it raw & realized it was much redder than raw beef. It's not bad, & if the opportunity presented itself; I'd fill my freezer with it. I like horses; but don't have the social affection for them alot of people do; I was raised on a farm & a farm animal is livestock; & if you find yourself looking at an empty freezer; first direction you look is your livestock & decide which one is going to fill the freezer....

I've eaten several exotic & wild meats; never tried dog or cat; to my knowledge; I have an affinity for Oriental food; so it's possible.... lol I know Potbelly pigs are tasty, & Emu, & Ostrich meat is pretty strong, but edible.

In the Military; I ate several different varieties of snake, & large meaty lizards; kind of chewy; but tasty after a week or 2 of Field rations..... I've also eaten softshell turtle on a few occasions; Turtle is a real treat; very tasty whether cooked over open flames, grilled, or as soup.

--- In CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com, "dbauer7997us" <DBauer7998@...> wrote:
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> I know most people abhor the idea of eating a dog - or a cat, or a horse, for that matter. While I have tried none of these, the only reasons are that a) I have not been offered it by someone who does cook it and b) I have never been hungry enough to have to eat it. It's easy to look down our noses at people who eat animals that we do not normally recognize as food sources, but we can only afford to do so because we have not been on the brink of starvation ourselves. In those circumstances, people can't afford to be picky. I'd sure as shoot cook a dog, cat, horse (or any other edible animal) before I'd let my child starve to death. I'd kill and cook rats before I'd let my child die of hunger.
>
> What I don't know is if carnivores should be processed differently that herbivores. I seem to remember hearing long ago that human beings must be more careful with the meat of carnivores due to the risk of carnivores being more of a potential source of disease and/or parasites than herbivores are. I would have to research this to be certain of the answer.
>
> Actually, I'm rather against the ban on processing horsemeat here in the United States. While I don't personally desire to sit down to an equine meal, horses are considered farm animals - and the only way to logically dispose of farm animals that are no longer useful is to butcher them. Better that than letting them slowly starve to death and become fodder for an episode "Animal Cops Houston", for heavens sake.
>
> There are people who go hungry here in the United States. This is not just a Third World issue. Can we really logically ban the consumption of certain species simply because we are emotionally attached to them or because they are "cute"? That makes no sense.
>
> ALL animals should be treated humanely and their lives made as satisfying as is possible. All animals used as a food source should be dispatched by humane methods - always. (In other words, we should treat animals more humanely than we normally treat each other.)
>
> There is a heavy Caribbean influence where I live, and goat is routinely offered in the grocery stores are cater to Hispanics. There are other meats that I cannot identify that animal that they came from. Chris (my son) says goat is pretty good, so I may try it sometime this summer. If course, he also says hippo is also pretty good, but I don't think I'll find that offered around here any time in the near future.
>
> With boas and pythons taking over the Everglades and other parts of South Florida, perhaps we should develop a taste for snake and make the critters worth catching. I mean, some of those snakes are HUGE and would provide a lot of meat to someone who is hungry.
>
> But I'm still glad I buried my 22-year-old cat out in the garden by the bird bath and didn't fricassee her when she died.
>
> Di
> Central Florida Zone 9a/b
>

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[CHICKENS-101] Re: Hi Y'all

 

Hi George, I got the first 25 chicks from the store, then found out about a poultry auction and ended up with the rest of them, some babies and some a bit bigger, And yeah, I just found out the hard way about how unpredictable the little rascals can be. One of the RIR's decided to take a peck at my eye while sitting on my shoulder the other day. Just reached her little head around went in under my glasses and pow!! So... now I only let them perch on my knees. A painful lesson, but I learn real quick. LOL
Still love em all though. Created a riot today in the yard. Went and bought some nightcrawlers and dumped them out for the flock. Found out they really love them. Will try to get some pictures posted soon.
Anna

--- In CHICKENS-101@yahoogroups.com, "Old George" <barnmanager@...> wrote:
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> Hi Anna Marie, yours is an old familiar story of lost souls who wandered into a feed store while chicks were on display. I must say most, not all, have enough self control not the fill up the basket right away. Or did you order them direct from the hatchery? This can be deadly, instant addiction. I know the feeling. Looking through the catalog, two of those, half a dozen of these and of course some from the next page. You really can get carried away.
> We do like pictures!!
> Ol' George
> PS: WATCH THE RIRs they have been known to turn on their trainers.

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