Friday, May 31, 2013

Re: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

Yes. She has a nice shady spot in the summer, and as it got to be fall, which came on nice and slow, I just let her adjust and stay out there. She has so much hair that snow doesn't even melt on her back. Besides, at 3 yrs. old she's pretty big for a house dog in a small house. Even though she thinks she's still a lap puppy!

Diane S.

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I adopted a Great Pyr puppy in Feb. She's beautiful and calm, great with the chickens, not so great with the cats. That has been a challenge. We are working on praising her for barking at the coyotes, and trying to dissuade her from barking at the squirrels across the street, the native birds on the back hill...etc. Did your Pyr stay out at night after the first year?

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

I adopted a Great Pyr puppy in Feb. She's beautiful and calm, great with the chickens, not so great with the cats. That has been a challenge.  We are working on praising her for barking at the coyotes, and trying to dissuade her from barking at the squirrels across the street, the native birds on the back hill...etc. Did your Pyr stay out at night after the first year?



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You need a dog!! Big time!
I have the same assortment of predators, plus maybe a couple more. And EVERYTHING likes chicken!

The only cure I ever really found ----Gt. Pyrenese. Got a puppy, tied puppy in chicken yard so she was about 2 ft. from the chicken door, they could get past her safely, and chickens were her only company most of the time all summer. I did bring her in at night that first year because she was young. But that ended the problem right there, on the spot. The chickens learned fast that she was protection. Funniest thing you ever saw------strange noise, chickens carrying on and running TO the big white dog!

Diane S.-----uh, forgot to mention, Pyrs bark---a lot---probably not a good choice for town.



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Re: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

I agree completely. Mine has kept my animals safe for years but only if she is with them.

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Have you considered a LDG? My Great Pyrenees has kept our flock safe and goes ballistic when birds fly overhead. She has guarded them from multiple predator species.

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

Have you considered a LDG? My Great Pyrenees has kept our flock safe and goes ballistic when birds fly overhead. She has guarded them from multiple predator species.

On May 31, 2013 5:39 PM, <sidesaddle5@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

<<If it just ripped the heads off it sounds like a coon and it will be back. I would suggest using a live trap.>>
 
Coon was one idea that occurred to me--we also have fox, coyote, weasel, and fisher-cat, plus a neighbor has reported seeing a bobcat in the vicinity.  Whatever it was got eight chickens, outdoors (i.e., they were free-ranging, not in the coop), in the space of a half-hour or so (I'd seen some of the hens and heard the rooster crowing when I was heading for the house).  Four chickens were totally missing, presumably carried off--four bodies left behind, two headless, rooster with teeth marks and bruising on plucked neck.  Lots of feathers, in patches as well as a couple of feather trails where a chicken had been dragged.  The size of teeth marks in the rooster's neck made me think fisher, or maybe juvenile fox or coyote (though they'd still be pretty young to be out hunting with mother, or with pack in the case of the coyotes).  The attack happened late afternoon in the rain, if that is any clue.

It's one of the possibilities I accepted when I decided to free-range them.  I suppose I ought to look around for a mature rooster to take over the look-out duties, though.  (And I do miss the crowing, although at least we don't have to carry a stick whenever we step out the door now...)

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

You need a dog!! Big time!
I have the same assortment of predators, plus maybe a couple more. And EVERYTHING likes chicken!

The only cure I ever really found ----Gt. Pyrenese. Got a puppy, tied puppy in chicken yard so she was about 2 ft. from the chicken door, they could get past her safely, and chickens were her only company most of the time all summer. I did bring her in at night that first year because she was young. But that ended the problem right there, on the spot. The chickens learned fast that she was protection. Funniest thing you ever saw------strange noise, chickens carrying on and running TO the big white dog!

Diane S.-----uh, forgot to mention, Pyrs bark---a lot---probably not a good choice for town.

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

Rhonda, The below is a 5 page article on how to ID chicken predators.  Hope it helps.  I'd get several different sizes of live traps set.
Cathryn  rainbowsilkiesTM  in  Michigan







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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:08 PM
Subject: [CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 
<<If it just ripped the heads off it sounds like a coon and it will be back. I would suggest using a live trap.>>
 
Coon was one idea that occurred to me--we also have fox, coyote, weasel, and fisher-cat, plus a neighbor has reported seeing a bobcat in the vicinity.  Whatever it was got eight chickens, outdoors (i.e., they were free-ranging, not in the coop), in the space of a half-hour or so (I'd seen some of the hens and heard the rooster crowing when I was heading for the house).  Four chickens were totally missing, presumably carried off--four bodies left behind, two headless, rooster with teeth marks and bruising on plucked neck.  Lots of feathers, in patches as well as a couple of feather trails where a chicken had been dragged.  The size of teeth marks in the rooster's neck made me think fisher, or maybe juvenile fox or coyote (though they'd still be pretty young to be out hunting with mother, or with pack in the case of the coyotes).  The attack happened late afternoon in the rain, if that is any clue.

It's one of the possibilities I accepted when I decided to free-range them.  I suppose I ought to look around for a mature rooster to take over the look-out duties, though.  (And I do miss the crowing, although at least we don't have to carry a stick whenever we step out the door now...)

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[CHICKENS-101] predator (was Re: chick question)

 

<<If it just ripped the heads off it sounds like a coon and it will be back. I would suggest using a live trap.>>
 
Coon was one idea that occurred to me--we also have fox, coyote, weasel, and fisher-cat, plus a neighbor has reported seeing a bobcat in the vicinity.  Whatever it was got eight chickens, outdoors (i.e., they were free-ranging, not in the coop), in the space of a half-hour or so (I'd seen some of the hens and heard the rooster crowing when I was heading for the house).  Four chickens were totally missing, presumably carried off--four bodies left behind, two headless, rooster with teeth marks and bruising on plucked neck.  Lots of feathers, in patches as well as a couple of feather trails where a chicken had been dragged.  The size of teeth marks in the rooster's neck made me think fisher, or maybe juvenile fox or coyote (though they'd still be pretty young to be out hunting with mother, or with pack in the case of the coyotes).  The attack happened late afternoon in the rain, if that is any clue.

It's one of the possibilities I accepted when I decided to free-range them.  I suppose I ought to look around for a mature rooster to take over the look-out duties, though.  (And I do miss the crowing, although at least we don't have to carry a stick whenever we step out the door now...)

Rhonda

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: chick question

 

Great job!  Nothing feels as good as success!
 
They--and you--- have a great start!
 
Now ----mama cannot actually protect a bunch of baby chicks moving around from the rest of the flock very long. She'll just keep try to keep the others out of the house, but they'll get in anyway, and as the chicks grow they will want to range further away from her.  Trouble coming. 
 
I strongly suggest you go buy or make a rabbit cage, put it together and put it inside the chicken house.  They can stay in there full time for quite a while.  Try to set it up on something as the other chickens will roost on top of it at night and there'll be droppings all over everybody in the cage.  Or put a board on top.  Yeah, chickens are messy.
 
And don't use too many clips on the cage.  You might want to take it apart later.  Fold it flat to store, use it again next year.  My husband did one, guess he thought I was keeping lions in it.  About 4 down each side will work.  And check what it has for a latch.  A snap clip with a little thumb spring thing is more solid that most of them.  Get brass, costs more but doesn't rust.
 
Really, I'm not exaggerating.  They're chickens.  Cute, funny, pretty, useful, also dumb, persistent and vicious.  They WILL kill the babies and you will feel awful.  Be a real chicken keeper and be smarter than they are!
 
Sending encouragement!
Diane S.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I did "box" the babies down from the flying-loft (with mama growling behind me all the way!)  I had made a small, movable rat-wire pen, with a large dog-crate for cover, and installed them in that, on the lawn.  The other hens discovered them and lurked around, believing that the food in *there* had to be superior.  Mama warned them off in no uncertain terms, from her side of the wire.
 
The next evening we had some severe thunderstorms--so I picked up the crate (with family inside for the night) and set it inside the coop overnight.  Next morning, once the others had gone out, I opened the crate.  Mama took FULL control of the coop--fortunately most of the others had already laid, because she wouldn't let anyone back in until afternoon!  So it appears the chicks are safe.  Today, I watched while 3 of the other hens crept respectfully back in along the wall to get to the nest-boxes today--Mama is quite formidable...
 
If there had still been the full complement of hens, I probably would have kept the chicks and mother in the separate pen, troublesome as it was.  I guess the only thing I really have to worry about is the return of whatever predator struck last week--but I suspect whatever it was could have got into the little pen and dog crate if it really wanted to, anyway.
 
Fingers crossed...
 
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: chick question

 

If it just ripped the heads off it sounds like a coon and it will be back. I would suggest using a live trap.



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I did "box" the babies down from the flying-loft (with mama growling behind me all the way!)  I had made a small, movable rat-wire pen, with a large dog-crate for cover, and installed them in that, on the lawn.  The other hens discovered them and lurked around, believing that the food in *there* had to be superior.  Mama warned them off in no uncertain terms, from her side of the wire.
 
The next evening we had some severe thunderstorms--so I picked up the crate (with family inside for the night) and set it inside the coop overnight.  Next morning, once the others had gone out, I opened the crate.  Mama took FULL control of the coop--fortunately most of the others had already laid, because she wouldn't let anyone back in until afternoon!  So it appears the chicks are safe.  Today, I watched while 3 of the other hens crept respectfully back in along the wall to get to the nest-boxes today--Mama is quite formidable...
 
If there had still been the full complement of hens, I probably would have kept the chicks and mother in the separate pen, troublesome as it was.  I guess the only thing I really have to worry about is the return of whatever predator struck last week--but I suspect whatever it was could have got into the little pen and dog crate if it really wanted to, anyway.
 
Fingers crossed...
 
Rhonda

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: chick question

 

I did "box" the babies down from the flying-loft (with mama growling behind me all the way!)  I had made a small, movable rat-wire pen, with a large dog-crate for cover, and installed them in that, on the lawn.  The other hens discovered them and lurked around, believing that the food in *there* had to be superior.  Mama warned them off in no uncertain terms, from her side of the wire.
 
The next evening we had some severe thunderstorms--so I picked up the crate (with family inside for the night) and set it inside the coop overnight.  Next morning, once the others had gone out, I opened the crate.  Mama took FULL control of the coop--fortunately most of the others had already laid, because she wouldn't let anyone back in until afternoon!  So it appears the chicks are safe.  Today, I watched while 3 of the other hens crept respectfully back in along the wall to get to the nest-boxes today--Mama is quite formidable...
 
If there had still been the full complement of hens, I probably would have kept the chicks and mother in the separate pen, troublesome as it was.  I guess the only thing I really have to worry about is the return of whatever predator struck last week--but I suspect whatever it was could have got into the little pen and dog crate if it really wanted to, anyway.
 
Fingers crossed...
 
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] cornish rocks

 

Plymouth Rock are nice birds and hardy. Duel purpose.

On May 31, 2013 12:00 PM, "elizabeth" <elizabeth.dawes@gmail.com> wrote:
 


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Laura Quick <goatsnchickens@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Lilly,
The Rock Cornish Game Hen or Rock Cornish hen is a cross between the Cornish Game and Plymouth or White Rock chicken breeds.


Thanks Laura & George.  I ask because I have some and they are the sweetest hens I've ever had for meat birds.  I was thinking if I could get the egg hen version or parent I would be good.

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Re: [CHICKENS-101] cornish rocks

 


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Laura Quick <goatsnchickens@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Lilly,
The Rock Cornish Game Hen or Rock Cornish hen is a cross between the Cornish Game and Plymouth or White Rock chicken breeds.


Thanks Laura & George.  I ask because I have some and they are the sweetest hens I've ever had for meat birds.  I was thinking if I could get the egg hen version or parent I would be good.

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