Wednesday, April 30, 2014

Re: [CHICKENS-101] more chicken genetics

 

I'd never spray anything in my barns either, I have to work hard at keeping everything dry.  The colder it is out the harder I have to work at it and ran a heater off and on to keep things dry in the negative temps.  Have had chickens since I was a little kid, have an 1800's built barn for 1,000 egg layers I remodeled with water,  7 room cattle barn with water - I use two roomsand a feed room, water in the middle of the barns, 2 smaller wood/wood floor barns, small wood coop, cedar coop, another small wood coop, and supply shed with metal cabinets, and loft.  All have extra large pens along both or one side, or the coops are inside the of the pens. All pens at the least double, most tripled/ quadrupled fenced roofs, sides, and buried fencing.  Then there is...
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On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 2:11 AM, DianeStraight <straight6@earthlink.net> wrote:
 
It is fascinating!
But I'm going to have to read it tomorrow.  It's 1 a.m. already.
 
Where are you, anyway?  It makes a difference.
I'm in southwest NYS, where we have long, cold, hard winters with deep snow.  And late springs, like this year.  Froze again last night.  Rained again today.
 
It rains in the spring and fall, snows all winter, and in the summer it's humid.  We do have lots of water.  But I wouldn't think of spraying water to break down pellets, something like that.  Keeping the coop dry is more of a problem because chickens give off so much moisture.  I leave the windows open year round, except maybe when it gets down below zero for very long and there's wind.
 
In my 70's, had chickens all my life, my parents raised chickens, my grandparents raised chickens, etc.  It's not a novelty, and I probably am a lot more relaxed about taking care of them than some people.  They don't seem to get sick.  Only real problems I usually have are predators and leg mites and sometimes a frozen comb.  Rosecombs do away with that problem.
 
I just keep a bag of the pine shavings on hand, dump in another one when I think it needs it.  Try to clean it out once a year.  I go in there barefoot, it's soft, dry and loose.  They keep it scratched up, mixed up, dried out all the way to the floor.
 
I used to use feeders and measure it out.  Getting old I guess, I just carry the 50 lb. bags in and lean them against the wall.  Open one, tip it over and let them have at it.  Seems to be working pretty well.  It's just a hobby.
 
I have a regular wooden henhouse, like a room or small barn.  Nothing fancy, been there 40 years, looks fine, big window facing south, sun comes in nicely in the winter, trees shade it in the summer.  I let them outside in the large fenced in pen in good weather.  When they can get out, they ignore the pellet feed completely.
 
Got a second, smaller box and cage for young ones.
I've tried a lot of breeds over the years.  Some successes, some failures, some not as described.  Being able to order a few of these and a few of those is great fun, and quite an education!
 
You have pigeons too?  I raised them for a while.  They seemed to have a lot of ailments.  There are so many interesting kinds!  I had white Indian Fantails, and white Homing pigeons, colored Fantails, American Fans, and a friend with roller pigeons and the ones with curls on their backs.  And the ones with a ruff on their neck that covers their heads.  All are great fun!  And English Messenger pigeons are a lot bigger than you expect.  American Fans bully the Indian Fans terribly, and so many people develop lung ailments from cleaning the droppings that I decided I didn't want to get that problem.  Chickens make enough dust as it is.
 
Diane S.          
 
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Subject: [CHICKENS-101] more chicken genetics

 
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Breeding gentler layers, maintain production
A team of scientists has developed a line of laying hens that display far less aggression than their commercial counterparts, while maintaining industry-standard eg...
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I'd like to get some of the hy-line varieties.

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Flashy New 'Chicken from Hell' Dino Discovered
A newly described species of feathered dinosaur looked something like a 10-foot-tall chicken with claws. The crested dino lived around the same time as Tyranno...
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Forgot my books at school; hope you enjoy some of the articles I found and am sharing with you. Think I am more wide awake from reading on line than if I had picked up a magazine or book. :)
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] our great-great grandparents chickens looked different from today's chickens

 

The chickens of then are not the chickens of today.  Between what has been bred in for commercial traits, traits that have popped up randomly and selectively bred, chickens were not domesticated as now, with the originals being wild.   I thought the research is interesting because you have to look at how commercial varieties and standards breeders poultry have changed chickens too.   Even the Mayan's raised poultry and are thought to have raised turkeys.  (oscillated is native to their region)
Because of the changes in characteristics of breeds over time, I have been fascinated with the evolution and history of chickens.  A good example is look at the breeds and traits that have been bred into OE to get their different feather colors and patterns.  Years and years of specific breeding.
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On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:51 PM, Deb and Randy Buckler <gotrandy@tcsn.net> wrote:
 
You have a point there, Diane!  How DID those chickens survive?!  They must have been "Wiley-Birds"!
Deb
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Some holes in that article.
There's a difference between "our great great grandmother's chickens" , "chickens of a few hundred years ago", and "chickens of 2300 years ago".
 
For a "few hundred years" there are plenty of paintings available.
For great great grandmother, there are photographs!
Even for a couple thousand years ago, there are wall carvings in ancient Egypt and Rome.
 
And it doesn't say anything about other countries.  Some of these breeds from China go back a very long way and are markedly different.   Like the Silkies with the black bones, black skin, odd feathers.
 
It's interesting, but I'd like to know a lot more about what they actually came up with.  Kind of looks like they're still working on it.
 
They've found dinosaurs with feathers!  But the time line there is so extremely long that it's hard to comprehend.  How did "chickens" survive that long in the wild do you suppose, with all the trouble we have keeping them?
 
Diane S.
 
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Ancient DNA: Barnyard chickens living just a few h...
Ancient DNA adds a twist to the story of how barnyard chickens came to be. Analyzing DNA from the bones of chickens that lived 200-2,300 years ago ...
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A decent read I stumbled across.   
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Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Re: [CHICKENS-101] more chicken genetics

 

It is fascinating!
But I'm going to have to read it tomorrow.  It's 1 a.m. already.
 
Where are you, anyway?  It makes a difference.
I'm in southwest NYS, where we have long, cold, hard winters with deep snow.  And late springs, like this year.  Froze again last night.  Rained again today.
 
It rains in the spring and fall, snows all winter, and in the summer it's humid.  We do have lots of water.  But I wouldn't think of spraying water to break down pellets, something like that.  Keeping the coop dry is more of a problem because chickens give off so much moisture.  I leave the windows open year round, except maybe when it gets down below zero for very long and there's wind.
 
In my 70's, had chickens all my life, my parents raised chickens, my grandparents raised chickens, etc.  It's not a novelty, and I probably am a lot more relaxed about taking care of them than some people.  They don't seem to get sick.  Only real problems I usually have are predators and leg mites and sometimes a frozen comb.  Rosecombs do away with that problem.
 
I just keep a bag of the pine shavings on hand, dump in another one when I think it needs it.  Try to clean it out once a year.  I go in there barefoot, it's soft, dry and loose.  They keep it scratched up, mixed up, dried out all the way to the floor.
 
I used to use feeders and measure it out.  Getting old I guess, I just carry the 50 lb. bags in and lean them against the wall.  Open one, tip it over and let them have at it.  Seems to be working pretty well.  It's just a hobby.
 
I have a regular wooden henhouse, like a room or small barn.  Nothing fancy, been there 40 years, looks fine, big window facing south, sun comes in nicely in the winter, trees shade it in the summer.  I let them outside in the large fenced in pen in good weather.  When they can get out, they ignore the pellet feed completely.
 
Got a second, smaller box and cage for young ones.
I've tried a lot of breeds over the years.  Some successes, some failures, some not as described.  Being able to order a few of these and a few of those is great fun, and quite an education!
 
You have pigeons too?  I raised them for a while.  They seemed to have a lot of ailments.  There are so many interesting kinds!  I had white Indian Fantails, and white Homing pigeons, colored Fantails, American Fans, and a friend with roller pigeons and the ones with curls on their backs.  And the ones with a ruff on their neck that covers their heads.  All are great fun!  And English Messenger pigeons are a lot bigger than you expect.  American Fans bully the Indian Fans terribly, and so many people develop lung ailments from cleaning the droppings that I decided I didn't want to get that problem.  Chickens make enough dust as it is.
 
Diane S.          
 
----- Original Message -----
To: undisclosed recipients
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:09 PM
Subject: [CHICKENS-101] more chicken genetics

 

image
Breeding gentler layers, maintain production
A team of scientists has developed a line of laying hens that display far less aggression than their commercial counterparts, while maintaining industry-standard eg...
Preview by Yahoo
 
 
I'd like to get some of the hy-line varieties.

image
Flashy New 'Chicken from Hell' Dino Discovered
A newly described species of feathered dinosaur looked something like a 10-foot-tall chicken with claws. The crested dino lived around the same time as Tyranno...
Preview by Yahoo
 
Forgot my books at school; hope you enjoy some of the articles I found and am sharing with you. Think I am more wide awake from reading on line than if I had picked up a magazine or book. :)
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Re: [CHICKENS-101] our great-great grandparents chickens looked different from today's chickens

 

You have a point there, Diane!  How DID those chickens survive?!  They must have been "Wiley-Birds"!
Deb
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CHICKENS-101] our great-great grandparents chickens looked different from today's chickens

 

Some holes in that article.
There's a difference between "our great great grandmother's chickens" , "chickens of a few hundred years ago", and "chickens of 2300 years ago".
 
For a "few hundred years" there are plenty of paintings available.
For great great grandmother, there are photographs!
Even for a couple thousand years ago, there are wall carvings in ancient Egypt and Rome.
 
And it doesn't say anything about other countries.  Some of these breeds from China go back a very long way and are markedly different.   Like the Silkies with the black bones, black skin, odd feathers.
 
It's interesting, but I'd like to know a lot more about what they actually came up with.  Kind of looks like they're still working on it.
 
They've found dinosaurs with feathers!  But the time line there is so extremely long that it's hard to comprehend.  How did "chickens" survive that long in the wild do you suppose, with all the trouble we have keeping them?
 
Diane S.
 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:17 PM
Subject: [CHICKENS-101] our great-great grandparents chickens looked different from today's chickens

 

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Ancient DNA: Barnyard chickens living just a few h...
Ancient DNA adds a twist to the story of how barnyard chickens came to be. Analyzing DNA from the bones of chickens that lived 200-2,300 years ago ...
Preview by Yahoo
A decent read I stumbled across.   
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