Hi Shannon,
Pigeons tend to be prone to easily picking up the protozoa, drink at puddles and shallow ponds in social groups, and seem to almost always bring it back after flights. Pigeons also can carry numerous zoonoses. The avio 4 in 1 contains an antibiotic that is effective against bacterial diseases and another antibiotic that kills, controls canker, (T gallinae). There are also other effective meds.
http://www.albertaclassic.com/trichomonas/trichomonas.php
There are problems because of over use (read this) with antibiotic resistance. The breeder I bought silkies from was a pigeon breeder before he raised silkies. The most beautiful silkies you ever laid eyes on, and well worth the bother and meds. I have also found that t gallinae is quite prevalent in chickens too. People allow wild birds to drink and eat at their chickens feeders and water dishes, and share chickens. ET... There are several meds used to treat it and after school tonight I'll sit down and list them. What ever people do I highly recommend to not use copper sulfate to treat; often causes blindness, destroys kidneys and other organs and is way more toxic than people realize until it is too late. Even the safer meds have to be used with care or they will destroy the bird. (Never feed grit during treatment and if you are feeding grain, crack/half grind the wheat, crack your corn fine, or better yet feed a higher protein feed to keep your birds warm and put in a corner light for shyer night feeders.)
Pigeons tend to be prone to easily picking up the protozoa, drink at puddles and shallow ponds in social groups, and seem to almost always bring it back after flights. Pigeons also can carry numerous zoonoses. The avio 4 in 1 contains an antibiotic that is effective against bacterial diseases and another antibiotic that kills, controls canker, (T gallinae). There are also other effective meds.
http://www.albertaclassic.com/trichomonas/trichomonas.php
There are problems because of over use (read this) with antibiotic resistance. The breeder I bought silkies from was a pigeon breeder before he raised silkies. The most beautiful silkies you ever laid eyes on, and well worth the bother and meds. I have also found that t gallinae is quite prevalent in chickens too. People allow wild birds to drink and eat at their chickens feeders and water dishes, and share chickens. ET... There are several meds used to treat it and after school tonight I'll sit down and list them. What ever people do I highly recommend to not use copper sulfate to treat; often causes blindness, destroys kidneys and other organs and is way more toxic than people realize until it is too late. Even the safer meds have to be used with care or they will destroy the bird. (Never feed grit during treatment and if you are feeding grain, crack/half grind the wheat, crack your corn fine, or better yet feed a higher protein feed to keep your birds warm and put in a corner light for shyer night feeders.)
You can hatch from chickens with canker, keep the off spring/chicks in a different barn/pens (they never share water or bedding with canker infected birds) and end up with great flocks.
Last Ohio National a friend picked up chickens for me. Two had canker, two did not. All had separate quarantine cages. The most valuable , the most needed color never recovered/tested negative and always showed mouth evidence after meds were stopped a couple of weeks later. I never did get fertile milk/sperm off of him after treatment (medications, not just canker meds often impairs fertility).
Even though it is -10 this morning, we have school; our first day back. LOL! Nothing like an extra 4 days off, Friday before Christmas break and another 3. Catch you later with the meds list.
Cathryn rainbowsilkiesTM in Michigan
On Thursday, January 9, 2014 1:03 AM, shannon nelson <woodside101@andycable.com> wrote:
Hi Cathryn ,
In your studies did you find what causes canker or where do chickens/pigeons get it ?
I've only seen it many many years back after a couple birds had pox/wet pox and canker as you described it (in their throats) appeared .
This four way med you all were mentioning , what is it for ?
Hope you are doing good in this cold cold weather ..... we've had it down in the teens and 20's for a night or so (BAD ).
Thanks best To You ,
Shannon
----- Original Message -----From: CathrynThereseSent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 6:16 PMSubject: Re: [CHICKENS-101] Re: Crop Problem - advice pleaseDiane, People cannot catch canker aka T gallinae aka trichomoniasis from birds - it is a bird specific protozoa, and not a zoonose. Have you seen T gallinae under a microscope? I have. Sideways they resemble pack man. Full view look like a pear with tails. It's easy to prep a slide with a mucus or solid caseous specimen, bottled water, and a decent microscope. Canker has a short life span out of the bird's body and usually are spread by wild birds drinking out of water dishes and a chicken drinking out of the same dish within a relatively short time.
I did years of research after buying chickens I knew had canker and watched the breeder pull chunks of it out of a rooster's throat. Quarantine, treatment/medication allowed me to breed from these beyond gorgeous birds. This situation has also resulted in my doing years of research and testing new chickens that I buy. Canker is more prevalent than people realize in the fancy and wild birds. Poultry can live with some lesser virulent strains if they are not stressed. Extreme weather temperatures and other stresses can impair immunity and allow these lesser strains over come a bird's immune system. Virulent strains kill within a short time, and the inbetween of course cause disease/roup. What I do not understand is someone not taking immediate intervention for sick birds/poultry/livestock/pets. Birds are especially vulnerable as you pointed out due to their many air sacks and their hollow bones. Protozoa, viruses, bacteria, and mycoplasmas hide easily in congestion (no blood supply to deliver meds in congestion) and in their hollow bones. Mycoplasmas not only do the same but can hide in cell parts too.Cathryn rainbowsilkiesTM in Michigan
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